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Originally submitted by Gareth on 09 Nov 2007
great idea but how about a link?
Hi Gareth - good idea - and would be great if you can post a link back to www.bethechange.org.nz from your blog!
In fact we need all you Be The Changers out there with websites to post links back this way.
If you've got a website and you're linking to BTC - let us know with a comment here ...
link
Sure thing: www.climatekiwi.blogspot.com is linked to Be the Change
re: link
Thanks Gareth - I'll be making some nice little Be The Change web banners soon too.
linking to BTC
Thanks for asking about websites linking to BTC. I have written a post about "Be the Change" on my blog, with links back to BTC.
Lisia
My blog:
http://lilsview.blogspot.com/
re: linking to BTC
Great stuff Lisia - can I suggest that you also submit your blog post to www.scoopit.co.nz ... the more links we have, the more visitors we'll get.
Climate change link
Here's another link that everyone should read regularly.
It might help to give a more balanced view of the climate change debate.
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
The Nature of skeptics ???
Ah! Mr Skeptic, I've been wondering what kind you might be but this link suggests a classification. There is no such animal or human as an open minded skeptic. See "The myth of the open mind" on this page near the bottom:
http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_4.html
To those who are struggling to be open minded I'll make a few comments:
We all should have experience of the skeptical attitude and probably have all claimed to be skeptical of something, even if that only concerned Santa or the tooth fairy. It is an automatic response of disbelief when we are presented with some view that does not accord with our current world view, whatever that may be. Nothing wrong with that, unless we let our minds be governed by that reaction to stifle further enquiry.
The point is that we all model the world. We carry these models around in our heads and use them to filter all that we view and hear. We compare them to other models and decide whether we agree or not. These models are inherited from our parents, our teachers, our culture, the books we read or the tv we view and so on. We like to have out prejudices reinforced, in talk back programmes for instance, but occasionally we take a hand and make a change. We are apt to call our own model reality. If we make any changes we call that changing our mind. What has been discarded we might even call illusion. There are philosophers who call all our models illusion. There is a saying that calls the mind the slayer of the real! Our minds are our models of our worlds.
So how well researched is my own model? we should ask. How does that research compare with the research put into the evolution of climate models? What research do the climate change deniers put into their models?
So with respect to climate change I see these kinds of skeptics.
Most vociferous are the reactionaries. At best they represent our very real desire to believe it isn't happening. At worst it represents the input into junk science, innuendo, lying efforts to discredit everyone who says anthropogenic climate change is happening, distortion of data by those whose commercial interests are rather against the view that current climate change is anthropogenic. Although real scientists have discredited their claims they keep on repeating them as illustrated in a recent article in the New Zealand Herald. For instance the sun is the natural source of this heating, the short solar cycles have a big influence, water vapour as a greenhouse gas completely trivialises the effect of CO2 increase and so on http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10484420 . The oil, coal and transport industries put huge money into resisting all efforts to oppose emmission caps.
The net effect of reactionary skepticism is to prevent or slow down response to change. You can read it all for yourselves on any number of blogsites. The BBC recently published a number of articles on climate change skepticism http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm
and concluded with the view that the skeptics need a dose of skepticism, their views not contributing to any useful balance. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/7095968.stm Even reactionary skepticism has its varieties - the people who reckon God has everything in hand so things must be OK, for instance, and they have their opponents too.
An opposite skepticism comes from currently active climate change scientists whose research runs ahead of the content of the IPCC reports. In particular they believe the IPCC is overly cautious and its conclusions must be held in question and are dangerously conservative. They cite climate change models predicting summer loss of arctic ice by 2047 say or thereabouts when their current research and modelling suggests about 2013. For an example read the third item, "Rapid climate change" on this page:
http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_5.html
They point out that the IPCC has not taken adequate account of the accelerating melting of glaciers. The relevant scientific communities are at present half way through extensive research into the ice caps and polar climates but it will be a couple of years before we see comprehensive results in peer reviewed papers.
That brings me to another kind of skepticism, that which is built into the IPCC process and the general evaluation process of the world scientific community - the process of criticism and peer review. This employs the natural doubts scientists have about the claims of other scientists so published peer reviewed papers take longer to get to our attention and have survived a barrage of skepticism. The IPCC is restricted to considering papers that have been through this process.
Even so we see scientists deciding their own world view of the time has been invalidated by further research, this being another longer term control. Science is full of controversies but gradually the evidence mounts that settles them one way or another. The anthropogenic climate change model has taken a hundred years to reach the point of public interest. The tectonic plate model took many decades. The relativity model is still being argued and researched as is the quantum model, the big bang model and so on and so on in every field. For 164 examples (currently) of scientists and intellectuals changing or discarding their models (minds) see here:
http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_index.html
I guarantee you days of fascinated reading - most represents some kind of scientific scepticism and eventual capitulation to some new approach which is still being tested.
Then we only have to look at the way the rush to plant palm trees in swamps in Indonesia, or the expansion of ethanol production from corn for instance, is defeating the very idea that biofuels are a way to reduce the carbon footprint. The skepticism that would have been needed to prevent this was there but did not get heard until the gold rush was well under way.
So by all means let us be skeptical about proposed solutions and projections and let us be at least as skeptical about the skeptics. What can we do? I have been alert to notions of climate change since getting suspicious in 1956 - as a small kid I used to break ice in puddles on my way to the milking shed and in the evening put the frost cloths round the tree tomatoes in a place in northland. In 1956 I learned that frosts were unknown in that place. Someone has been misinformed I thought but I started listening out. Even so I have quite recently been misled for a time by articles on the net reporting against some of the data used in climate change scenarios. I have thought the arguments good only to discover subsequently through various published research that they were quite wrong or at best misleading.
I suggest people look up the science and keep looking. The balance is not served by those who simply react or concentrate on trying to discredit everyone. Consider the view, for instance, that only a few critics commented on the chapter in the IPCC report presenting the argument for anthropogenic climate change, therefore the other 300 odd reviewers must be against it???? I never bother to criticise, or even comment on what I already regard as true and well stated when I am asked to go over something written. Perhaps I should give praise more often.
The balance, that is a more inclusive world view, is best served by researching that which is missing from our own models. With the internet we can do it if we are also sufficiently sceptical of the junk we meet on the way.
Noel
Thanks for taking the time to reply
Hello Noel,
Thanks for taking the time to write your reply, I'll be sure to take a close look at all the links you've provided.
I don't actually think I said that I don't believe in climate change, only that I'm sceptical about what the global warming **alarmists** would have us believe. And by alarmists I mean the ones taking the more extreme positions; I include Al Gore in that group.
I am not currently a believer in man-made greenhouse gases being the main, or indeed a, cause of the warming that has taken place, but would change that stance should I feel there was enough scientific evidence to support it. At the moment I don't think there is. Just because there is a "consensus" opinion about this doesn't necessarily validate that opinion.
But I do care about our environment and do what I can where practical to reduce my impact; bearing in mind that I'm not at all concerned at the moment about my moderate levels of greenhouse gas emissions!
Cheers,
Brian
Finding the balance
My previous post in this thread concluded with a reference to balance, or one kind of balance, the kind that seeks an inclusive world view from which values can be judged and right actions taken.
When I was a child everything was pitched to national patriotism and to even more parochial identifications. A sense of humanity or of the planet was all but absent from the general notions of loyalty.
Now it is possible for more than a few to transcend the boundaries of selfish and local interests to seek the good of the whole. If achieved that is a major development in consciousness and balance.
Another kind of balance is well known to those who wade through processes of optimization, applicable to Americas Cup yacht designs or to biofuels policy. What seems like a great idea has its costs. On balance it may be a marginal improvement if all conditions are met, or a net loss.
I am here concerned with the inclusive approach to achieving a balance. As it happens two papers just published on Antarctic melting help me make the point.
A year ago a study was published that, through examination of satellite photographs, concluded that the Antarctic was gaining on the mass balance or holding it through precipitation of snow. Stories were published that explained that since the surface temperatures were in the vicinity of -70°C, the Antarctic could not melt. The IPCC prediction of ocean rise assumed the mass balance through surface precipitation would at least hold.
However, those who studied loss of the ice shelves, thinning and acceleration of glaciers in West Antarctica and the Antarctic peninsula, thought differently and very recently a paper, has been published in Nature and reported in the NZHerald, confirming that with loss of ice shelves, glaciers have thinned and sped up resulting in a net loss of ice to the ocean, possible the rate increasing.
Links are:
Herald report noted on Be The Change: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=26&objectid=10486791
Nature: http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ngeo102.html
The hypothesis proposed was that warmer ocean currents were conveying heat to the ice shelves. These currents need further study. Now we find that the original view was unbalanced. Have we got there yet?
No! Now we find there is a volcanic hot spot under the part that is melting fastest. How hot is it under the ice? How much is the hotspot contributing to Antarctic melting? This has to be considered too in modeling Antarctic mass balance.
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080118/full/news.2008.304.html
It looks like another couple of years of measuring and analysing before we get a good handle on the significance of this melting. Here we have a good example of how the scientific process gradually contributes to the larger world view, a more balanced picture. Parts of Antarctica are melting but the real significance in terms of future ocean levels and rates of change, is yet to be established.
Noel
Green Blog
The Green party's blog is also a great place to find out climate change information:
http://blog.greens.org.nz/
The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
Mohandas Gandhi
Thanks for the link. I was
Thanks for the link. I was interested to look at the blog.greens. One article well illustrated the lengths some people will go to to deny a climate change scientific consensus:
http://blog.greens.org.nz/index.php/2008/01/03/russell-brown-on-climate-change-sceptics/
I was also glad to be reminded of the Aqua project to make aircraft fuel from algae skimmed from sewage treatment ponds. 10,000 gallons (fuel I take it) per acre was quoted. That is 238 barrels though that should not be compared with barrels of crude if you are thinking price.
Nevertheless I was also intrigued by the current news on switchgrass for ethanol where, using the whole plant in a farm trial, 320 barrels of ethanol per acre, on average, could be produced with a CO2 emmissions reduction of 94%.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7175397.stm
Wikipedia says: "Switchgrass (Panicum virgatum) is a warm season grass and is one of the dominant species of the central North American tallgrass prairie. Switchgrass can be found in remnant prairies, along roadsides, pastures and as an ornamental plant in gardens. Other common names for this grass include tall panic grass, Wobsqua grass, lowland switchgrass, blackbent, tall prairiegrass, wild redtop and thatchgrass." It can withstand drought and high temperatures.
Noel
Climate in the news
We've also got a live feed aggregating climate change focused news from the NZ Herald at http://www.bethechange.org.nz/aggregator